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Originally Posted By: SmileysPerson
@Kalni -- it's not the saying, it's the phrasing.


I took your quote off Pigskins thread to rap a little:

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Rationalization. Rationalizing. A rationalizing rationalization.


Across the nation
Obamastation
Hospitalization
Taxation
My perspiration
Your frustration
Stealin my bacon
Rationalizing
A Rationalization
No elation
In my situation
Self Determination
My Salvation

it just came out, can't explain it. grin

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My favorite post by Coach. Ever. smile

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Originally Posted By: Kettricken
Meh. Some of it's the saying, too.
God forbid you should communicate such basic human states as "I'm tired. I'm scared. I'm unsure" to your chosen life partner. Oh, no, surely we can't reveal the feet of clay to that degree ... it would Wreck. Attraction.
WTFever.


Believe it or don't believe it, I don't have to force you or anyone else for that matter to believe it.

I look around me and most everywhere I go including a recent trip to disneyworld in florida with the kids, you know what I see? I see run down men wearing unflattering clothing, out of shape that don't take care of themselves or their appearance pushing baby strollers and holding diaper bags following their wives who have lost their pregnancy weight, wearing short shorts, hair done up, nice clothing, makeup, showing skin, talking & texting on phones paying little or no attention to their husbands while glancing at younger attractive men with a specific look in their eyes all at the same time barking orders at their husbands to keep up and "why did you do that?" and "why didn't you remember to pack this in the diaper bag". I don't hear any loving, caring words, these men I'm assuming work full-time and seem to look more like slaves than anything else. This isn't a single instance, this is an epidemic, it's like women became men and men became women overnight and the more I look the more I see it: locally and abroad, with strangers and my own friends who all say that they haven't gotten laid in weeks/months and they're busting their buts at work, at home, doing more & more for their wives and their wives in contrast seem to be doing less & less along with going out frequently to the bars with their gal pals.

It's a complete role reversal and it's like, am I the only one that is seeing this?

Nobody is saying that you can't talk to your life partner but when you make it a point that all you communicate to your partner is these things without offering any reassurance, stability or security, what do you think is going to happen? Why would wives be attracted to husbands that can't keep them secure and protected and how can they assume that these husbands can do any of this if these same husbands are the ones presenting themselves as scared, ineffectual little men that can't reassure themselves let alone their wives & families.

I'm sure it sucks that you have to act like a man especially when the bulk of your life you've probably been taught the opposite of what's required to be a man and then complain afterwards that your wife left you and you don't know why or how to get her back.

Seriously, I hear these kinds of complaints and think to myself this guy just doesn't get it and that's why you are where you are right now. If you want different results in life, it requires that you do different things from what you've done up to this point. You've gotten this far on your "basic training" and you've come up to road blocks that you apparently can't get over because your existing "basic training" never covered this stuff. How long does it require for you to learn that you must do something different from what you've done in order to get different results?

I don't think anything in my list was far-fetched or impossible, all of it has benefited me in my personal life and my current positive results with my WAW has to mean something.

Women are attracted to Men.

Your wife was attracted to you originally because you exhibited attractive masculine behaviors. You changed over time, exhibited behaviors that aren't attractive or masculine but you think that she should just love you regardless of what you've become - but you don't want to love her because of her changes and what she's become? If you love your wife and would do anything for her, what's stopping you right now from becoming that man she was attracted to originally?

It's a hot topic, I'm sure my response will generate a $hit load of responses but I welcome it. No worries. Either way it will all work out in the end ;-)

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I look around me and most everywhere I go including a recent trip to disneyworld in florida with the kids, you know what I see? I see run down men wearing unflattering clothing, out of shape that don't take care of themselves or their appearance pushing baby strollers and holding diaper bags following their wives who have lost their pregnancy weight, wearing short shorts, hair done up, nice clothing, makeup, showing skin, talking & texting on phones paying little or no attention to their husbands while glancing at younger attractive men with a specific look in their eyes all at the same time barking orders at their husbands to keep up and "why did you do that?" and "why didn't you remember to pack this in the diaper bag". I don't hear any loving, caring words, these men I'm assuming work full-time and seem to look more like slaves than anything else. This isn't a single instance, this is an epidemic, it's like women became men and men became women overnight and the more I look the more I see it: locally and abroad, with strangers and my own friends who all say that they haven't gotten laid in weeks/months and they're busting their buts at work, at home, doing more & more for their wives and their wives in contrast seem to be doing less & less along with going out frequently to the bars with their gal pals.It's a complete role reversal and it's like, am I the only one that is seeing this?


Yeah ~ I've noticed this. In fact, Coach and I were just out the other night and I pointed out a young couple, appeared to be on a date, and she was dressed to KILL! Could smell her perfume from across the river, black pumps, cute dress, hair lovely. Her date? Flip flops, untucked shirt, shorts, hat. I said to Coach, "What is she thinking?"




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Your wife was attracted to you originally because you exhibited attractive masculine behaviors.


So, re: the couple we saw the other night. What is she thinking? I'll tell you right now (Yes, SP, I'm mind reading). She is thinking ~~~ "I CAN CHANGE HIM!" The guy is JUST ABOUT RIGHT...and she can change the other bits to suit her. Fast forward to what you observe, the guy pushing the stroller getting pecked at by his hot-number wife....I guess she couldn't change him after all.

I think our starting points, what attracted us initially, obviously have relevance in our later years as a couple. But more heavily weighing in is how we grow (or not) as individuals, and couples, and individuals who are parts of a couple.


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Originally Posted By: SmileysPerson
@Kalni -- it's not the saying, it's the phrasing.


I took your quote off Pigskins thread to rap a little:

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Rationalization. Rationalizing. A rationalizing rationalization.


Across the nation
Obamastation
Hospitalization
Taxation
My perspiration
Your frustration
Stealin my bacon
Rationalizing
A Rationalization
No elation
In my situation
Self Determination
My Salvation

it just came out, can't explain it. grin

Cheersizzle

Coach




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Oh Sweet Jayzus let's don't start a Kettricken-robx thing again. For f*ckin' f*ck's sake.... You kids get off my lawn!

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Attention, Middle Aged White Dudes -- Put the mike down and step away from the turntable.....

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Originally Posted By: SmileysPerson
Attention, Middle Aged White Dudes -- Put the mike down and step away from the turntable.....


But I got the perfect Middle Aged White Dude Rapper Name

Bo Dog. laugh

Come on you know you like it.


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